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16 januari 2021. 
Är det Andreas som är vår Stamfar? Eller "Jagan"? Nu har vi med hjälp av Marina, god väninna till Henrik och Ulrike, och Henrik fått en god översättning av det spännande dokument som avhandlar "Jagans" död 1733 och vad som hände med hans kvarlåtenskap. Av allt att döma fördes den över till Wolfgang Pestel, som i fall av att efterkommande arvingar till Jagan dyker upp, skall överlämna kvarlåtenskapen till dessa. Ingenting i dokumenten tyder på att så har skett, tvärtom tyder det på att så sent som i mitten av 1720-talet  har Wolfgang besökt Jagan i dennes hem (Moskva) och då har Jagan inte visat tecken på att han har bildat familj. Därmed faller antagligen teorin om att Jagan kan ha varit far till den Ivan Ivanovich (i dokument nedan finns ju en möjlig koppling till en Johann Friedrich, läkare, som deltog i Rysk-turkiska kriget 1735-1739 (han omnämns 1737). Han lär ha varit i trakterna av sedermera grundade Odessa som då endast bestod av ett fort och där pest härjade.

Mer om den sannolikt spruckna Jagan-teorin (m Pestel) har nu flyttats till sidan: 

https://vonarnold.webnode.se/noshow03/  för de som vill studera detaljerna.

Återstår på denna sida dokument rörande "Moskva-Johan" (alltså Türpsal-Johann-Friedrich far) som ju fortfarande kan vara en korrekt match, om än inte son till Jagan, död 1733.

Trist. Var står vi nu?

mer kommer...

Lite om "Moskva Johann"

Nedan lite vi hittat om "Moskva-Johann" a k a Jagan Friedrich a k a Ivan Ivanovich Arnold.

Han tjänstgjorde 1737 i Ukraina som "Chirurg" - "Medicinsk vetenskap" under Rysk-Turkiskt krig (1735-39) och kan vara den som 1765 köpte en fastighet i Tyska förstaden 1765.

Lite mer info om Tyska förstaden (sloboda) 

Time Line Arnolds 1700-tal

Slutdokument angående Jagan

Vi har hittat en s k Metatext (baserad på modern ryska) som sammanfattar texten som Marina översatt:

• Ansökningar daterad 1 och 2 oktober.

I. En kopia av statsrådets brev till gr. S.A. Saltykov utfärdar Moskva-postdirektören V. Pestel pengar och saker kvar efter huvudläkaren Yagan Arnolds död, med hänsyn till de skäl som anges i hans framställning, under förutsättning att han tillfredsställer den avlidnes släktingar, om de hävdar arv 

Henrik och Marinas översättning av dokumenten om Jagan och Wolfgang Pestel:

1. In the cabinet of her Highness (Anna övers.anm) and some ministers had a meeting with the following agenda:

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4)the ministers signed and at this date sent to Moscow two letters to Count Saltykov

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2. about the inventory of the belongings left after the deceased staff doctor* Arnold

*Штаб-лекарь - это Армейское звание старшего полкового врача в Российском государстве XVIII - первой половины XIX вв.

Military name of the upper regiment doctor in Russia from the 18th to the middle of 19th century.

Källa 1 del 1

The copy of the letter of the cabinet ministers to Count Saltykov about the inventory of the belongings left after the death of the staff doctor Arnold.

Your Highness Count, the upper General, and "Hofmeister", our Ruler,

In the request, sent from the cabinet of Her Highness by Post-director Wolfgang Pestel it is stated that the artillery staff doctor Jagan Arnold passed away, and all his belongings the artillery officers sealed. We request to inquire about this and in case the mentioned staff doctor died without any heirs, then all of his belongings should be registered, estimated and for keeping it, to bring it to a safe place according to your recommendation, and this register with the estimation to send to the cabinet to report to her Highness.

XXXXX

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Journal/Report of April 1

At the cabinet of her Highness certain ministers were meeting.

Following letters were received from Moscow from Gen. Saltykov:

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2. about the receipt of the letter about the belongings after the deceased staff doctor Arnold

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Journal/Report of April 2

At the cabinett of her Highness certain ministers were meeting including the Chancelor

Källa 3

Journal of May 20

Certain reports were given for approval:

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5. the letter of Count Saltykov and the inventory about the money and belongings after the deceased doctor Arnold

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Attachment of 1 and 2 October

Copy of the letter of the cabinet ministers to Count Saltykov about the handing over to the Moscow Post director W. Pestel of the money and the belongings remained after the death of the staff doctor Jagan Arnold, according to his request, under condition of satisfaction the relatives of the deceased in case they should claim the heritage.

October, 1, 1734

Your Highness Count, the upper General, and "Hofmeister", our Ruler,

At the cabinet of Her Highness from the report of September 12 it is stated: in year 1733, March 24, from the Cabinet of Her Highness was stated: according to the request of the post director Wolfgang Pestel it was stated, that staff doctor Jagan Arnold died, and all his belongings the artillery officers sealed. If the named staff doctor should die without any heirs then all his remaining belongings should be registered, listed and estimated and send to a safe place and this inventory should be send for report to her Highness. And it is stated: these is left after the deceased artillery staff doctor Jagan Arnold the belongings of 1852 roubles and 7,5 kopeks. And the report from the artillery office stated that the named doctor had no relatives and the stated above Post director Pestel demands that the belongings should be given to him. In the request, sent to the cabinet of Her Highness in 1733 by the post director Pestlel it was mentioned: he had a word agreement with former artillery staff doctor, his countryman, Jagan Arnold, during their 14 year old friendship, that if any of them, without marrying, should die, should give the heritage to the other. This friendship was kept, meanwhile Pestel married, nevertheless the promise made in friendship was kept and Pestel was a visitor at the house of his friend.

That is why it is suggested to give the remained belongings and the money to him, post director Pestel, with the notice that in case the relatives of Arnold should appear, they should be satisfied by the post director.

Sent to Moscow by soldier Gurom Ljubensky from the Ismailov regiment on October 2

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From October 16

Letter of Count Saltykov about the handing over of the belongings of the late Jagan Arnold to the post director W. Pestel.

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